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Which Car To Buy?
2007-11-11
I'm leaning toward the Toyota Matrix for my next car. I'm writing this stream of consciousness to try to sort out why.

Toyota Matrix:
2003 Private Sale value: Good Condition - $8070
Pontiac Vibe (same exact car):
2003 Private Sale value: Good Condition - $7500

The Toyota holds its value better than American cars. This has been true for a long time. I'm done with American cars until that changes. But, why the Matrix? There are so many cars in the bottom end of Toyota's lineup. The Corolla, Yaris, Matrix, Scion xd, Scion xb and Scion tc all cost between 15K and 19K depending onthe trim level you select. They're all offer good fuel economy, though some are better than others. There are four different engines in those 6 cars. The Yaris offers a 1.5 liter engine, but no better fuel economy than the 1.8 liter Matrix and Scion xd. The Scion xb and tc offer two different slightly larger engines. Their similar fuel economy is not quite as good as the others but that's to be expected.

The things that I need from a car include:
  • A back seat so that I can transport my child and grandchildren
  • Space for my kiteboarding gear
  • Space for camping gear (but not at the same time as kiteboarding gear)
  • Easy to clean surface
  • Fuel economy
  • Cost of ownership lower than $700/month (not difficult)
    Things that I really would prefer to have include:
  • Power windows
  • Power locks

    Now, there are things that I'm going to miss about the truck, but they're not worth paying for every single month. I can always rent a truck from Home Depot or UHaul if I need to.

    The Corolla doesn't offer many of those and the Yaris has even fewer. That leaves the Toyota Matrix and the Scion xd.

    The Matrix has almost all of the features at a retail of $17,500, but that's a price that you can negotiate. The Scion xd also has most of those features and the price comes in at $16,502 and that price is set in stone. The only place you can haggle is with your trade-in value. Though, the basic Scion xd has most of those features as well.

    So, the question becomes, how do I justify spending more to get the Matrix? Here's what I've come up with.
  • I don't know how much I can reduce that 17.5K price.
  • Mike (Julie's husband) said the Toyota product would probably get me the best trade-in value. That's because the salesman has two different points in which he can make adjustments in order to make the profit that his manager demands. The Scion dealer is only going to make more money by offering you less on your trade. The Scion price is the Scion price. They call it Pure Pricing and it's similar to the Saturn concept.
    The Matrix...
  • is bigger
  • has more cargo space
  • has plastic floors in the cargo area and the seat backs are plastic so when they're folded down, the entire area is plastic. That'd be much easier to clean.
  • is not a new model in the Toyota line (the Scion xd is)
  • is equal in fuel economy
  • has adjustable seat height/angle

    That pretty much sums up why I'm leaning toward the Matrix. I drove one yesterday and I really liked it. The one that I drove was an automatic and I intend to get a manual transmission version, but I liked the automatic when I drove it. I

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  • Betty Boop       Thu Nov 15 10:25:00 AM
    Just made my day with the sweet pictures. Love how that girl shops!! Isn't it strange how we are born with the gene!?!

    I just spoke with 'fer and put my dibs in for a Thanksgiving day delivery. Not that I want to mess up everyone's dinner but I know Cookie wants to get this over with.

    Biz - you are a lucky pappy! Thanks again for the pictures. I will be smiling all day now. LOVE YOU ALL.

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    Talix18       Thu Nov 15 08:43:08 AM
    That picture of the burning chair is awesome. You should enter it in a contest or something.

    Seriously! The lighting is excellent.

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    BizB       Mon Nov 12 04:52:28 PM
    That was from the cafeteria at work. I made a special trip back just to snap that picture. I laughed so hard when I first saw it while getting my coffee that I wasn't sure I'd be able to walk.
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    sopops       Mon Nov 12 02:11:44 PM
    When did Dan Quayle open a restaurant in Toledo?
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    Betty Boop       Mon Nov 12 07:48:08 AM
    Some lovely pictures! It looks like all had a great time.
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    BigBro       Sun Nov 11 05:12:40 PM
    If you rent a truck from anyone you will have me pissed.
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    BizB       Sun Nov 11 01:23:00 PM
    I want the stick because I want the stick. I haven't had one in years and I really enjoy driving Tal's car when I have driven it. It's not really about the MGP for the stick.

    I'm pretty sure that Toyota still has one of the best maintenance records of all vehicles on the market. That's probably one of the big reasons for holding their value so well. They actually suggest that you change the oil every 5,000 miles, not every 3,000. The first tune-up on the Matrix is suggested after 120,000 miles.

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    sopops       Sun Nov 11 12:37:27 PM
    One item that should be looked into is that Toyota had at one time the lowest return for repairs ratio, do they still have that low ratio. The gain of 1 mpg with the stick over auto doesn't offset the convenience of the automatic in my opinion and stick shifting folks tend to accelerate faster than auto shift folks in my observations, thus reducing the MPG, this is not factual but another opinion.
    One problem that shorter wheelbase cars experience in the snow is that the wider wheel tracks make it tough for the shorter in deep snow, but you were aware of that with the Focus.

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